Question:
Figure skaters! Tips on spread eagles?
MsPeanutBrittle
2009-12-08 19:50:55 UTC
I know, I know, it sounds stupid, but...how on Earth do you guys to spread eagles so easily? I mean, I'm like FS 5 and still haven't figured out how to do one in any way, shape, or form!

1. Where do you put the weight? Leading foot? Back foot? Evenly?

2. How do you get INTO the spread eagle? What entrances do you like to use?

3. Arm position...anything special?

4. Other tips?

Help! xD
Seven answers:
Sarah F
2009-12-09 11:44:45 UTC
First off, spread eagles are not easy to learn, but you will get it! Keep working on it, and you'll get there in time.



Now, each of your questions in order:

1. You want to keep your weight even between both feet, and slightly towards the heel of each blade once you are fully in position. The most common mistake skaters make entering a spread eagle from back crossovers is to not "trust" the leading foot they are stepping to when they begin the actual spread eagle, keeping their weight over the back foot. If they are starting from a forward outside edge, the common error is not to "trust" the back outside edge back foot they just placed down. The key either way is to try to commit to the position right away, or the edge(s) run away from you.



2. I like to go from back crossovers, stepping from a back outside edge onto a forward outside edge with the leading foot of the actual spread eagle, shifting my weight to immediately place it evenly between both feet. I also know skaters who prefer starting from a forward outside edge, swinging the free foot back to place it on the back outside edge for the spread eagle. Try both entries and see what one works best for you - once you get comfortable on the spread eagle doing either entry, you'll be able to pick up the other pretty easily.



Another option you might want to try if you can do an inside spread eagle is to try to go from a forward inside spread eagle to a straight line, and then roll over to the outside edge. Just think of flattening out the curve of the inside spread eagle, find your straight line, and then tip your leading foot ankle to the outside edge gradually to shift the curve. Again, if you can get the outside spread eagle position comfortable, you'll be able to get the other entries more easily.



3. Whatever feels comfortable for arms is fine. You might want to just leave them out at first until you get comfortable (make sure you aren't rounding your shoulders forward, keep them open like you're trying to stretch your chest upwards and outwards), but once you can do the spread eagle, experiment as much as you can! There are many gorgeous things you can do with your arms on a spread eagle - take a look at what other skaters do, and give their positions a try. Don't be afraid to play with it - remember, skating is fun and creative!



4. Other tips...oh man, I could write a book on other tips.

- Once you get on the outside edge, think of relaxing the front of your hips and pushing them slightly forward, to make sure you don't look "bent over" the spread eagle, but are holding your body straight and upright.



- Don't try to lean backwards - the beautiful backwards lean it looks like is happening is caused by the speed you are skating at and the depth of your curve (centripetal force if you want the physics term). Just think of holding your body as straight as possible, and let your skating and edges do the rest.



- You can stretch your turnout by doing the "frog position" off ice. It is, unfortunately, an uncomfortable and slow stretch, but it does wonders for getting good turnout through your hips (where it should happen from, not your feet or knees). In the "sources", I've included a link to a photo of someone doing the frog position to give you a visual, but you want to lay on your stomach on the floor, and make sure your hips are pressed down flat to the floor (it can be really uncomfortable to keep your back arched if you support yourself on your elbows, so I recommend just staying down). You want to slide your knees on the floor up towards your shoulders as far as you can go - and you will probably notice your feet can't stay on the floor when you do this. Put the soles of your feet together, keeping your hips and knees on the floor. The key is to STAY THERE for as long as you can stand it - I often have my students do this stretch for 5 minutes a day after warming up. Gravity helps pull your feet towards the floor, and in time you will notice your turnout improving. It is much more comfortable to do this on a yoga mat than on a bare floor, but doing it on too soft of a surface won't help your stretch very much at all. If it hurts your knees, you can do the same stretch on your back, putting the soles of your feet together the same way and taking the same basic position, but letting your knees drop to the floor instead of your feet. Less painful, but it takes a bit longer to get the same amount of turnout this way. (Wow, that was practically a book right there!)



- The last tip I have is to work on your spread eagles after you are really well warmed up, as doing them cold can often lead to muscle pulls, which are definitely not fun. At the rink I teach at, many of the skaters working on spread eagles use the last 5-10 minutes of the session they skate to work on them, after they have been skating for a while and are significantly warmed up.



I hope all this information helps, and good luck with your spread eagle!
mengesha
2017-01-12 12:05:19 UTC
Spread Eagle Ice Skating
2016-03-01 08:04:26 UTC
With mohawks all you can do is to keep practicing. Make sure before you put your second foot down, you are facing the direction you want to be facing after the mohawk. Also, practice your forward and inside (backwards and outside) edges, as mowhawks are simply changes in feet and edges. *The typical entry into a 1/2 flip is a toe assisted 3-turn, you may want to talk to your instructor. With a 2 foot spin, you're not going to get A LOT of rotation, but slightly more than that. Make sure you use your arms to really get you spinning, and pull in tight. also, only one of your feet should really be spinning if you want more speed and rotation, while the other just grazes the ice. *If you spin counter clockwise you would be on your left foot. clockwise = right. When this starts helping, you're probably close to a solid one foot spin. For balance, also make sure that you spin on the ball of your foot; NOT the toepick or heel. private lessons can be expensive, but for a coach for your skill level, the average would be around $20 to $30 per hour. Good luck with that axel! Happy Skating!
twigletrose
2009-12-09 03:30:40 UTC
The further apart your legs are the better spread weight as evenly as you can i dont think its an exact science. Before you go into it push the back foot forwards then put it into position opening your hips! Id work on arm positions once your feet are doing the right thing but I'd suggest using them to couter any wobbles. Good luck by the way mine aren't the best so I'd listen to other people! lol good luck!
Smile.
2009-12-09 00:07:22 UTC
Spread Eagle....

Firstly, you should put your body weight on both legs evenly....and if that doesn't work, i think maybe it would help putting the weight on the back leg, if you're entering from backwards crossovers.



Backwards crossovers as the entrance tend to help with the spread eagle.



Arm positions....maybe just on each side....don't know much about the arm positions.



Hope this helped!

:-)
jordyshorty12
2009-12-08 20:11:19 UTC
ok

I cant do an outside spread eagle either but i do know that working on it off ice helps and don't ask yahoo how to do it ask your coach! good luck! let me know how it turns out!
2009-12-09 10:07:18 UTC
Okay, for starters, practice the position up against a wall. Next, take it to the ice. I want to get as much speed as you can get and then i always swing my back leg forward and then place it back, behind my front leg. When your in the position you want to lean back. Try and ubtain as much speed as possible.


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